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SAME SEX MARRIAGE - IT’S ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS

Elsa Schieder

Elsa Schieder PhD is a former professor of Humanities at John Abbott College in Canada. She blogs and conducts interviews, focussing on Western rights and freedoms.

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I’m reading an article on Does God Exist? Does It Matter?

Suddenly I come to: Take the Same Sex Marriage laws. These were foisted upon us before most people had a chance to think through the consequences. Now that these laws have passed, we are finding that it is no longer possible to make any legal distinction between the sexes. This promises to destroy women’s sport. It takes away the rights of women to have their own public toilets. It will undoubtedly lead to a myriad of unexpected and destructive consequences.

MY RESPONSE: THIS IS ALL NONSENSE. THE AUTHOR IS MIXING APPLES WITH PICKLES. 

Same sex marriage laws only pertain to marriage. You might as well argue that allowing women equal entry into various professions means “that it is no longer possible to make any legal distinction between the sexes.” Also nonsense. And what about extending the vote to women. Shouldn't that likewise mean “that it is no longer possible to make any legal distinction between the sexes.” Total nonsense, very clearly.



Not making a legal distinction between the sexes on the basis of genetics, relates to transgender issues and gender identity issues, not to same sex marriage.

AS FOR ISSUES RAISED BY PEOPLE IDENTIFYING AS MEMBERS OF THE SEX THEY DON’T GENETICALLY BELONG TO, HERE’S MY RESPONSE. If we as a species can develop sex-change operations, and send both men and women (and transgenders, I am sure) to the moon, then surely we as a species can develop laws that protect genetic females from non-genetic females in sports, and that keep public toilets as safe as possible. 



AS FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE, THIS IS, FOR ME, A SIMPLE HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE. It’s always been that way. I’ve always been for human rights. I grew up in a family with lots of social concerns.



Same sex marriage is, for me, akin to interfaith marriage, interracial marriage and the remarriage of divorced people. All the latter have been illegal, or anyway prohibited by some religions. Many religions traditionally did not allow, for example, interfaith marriages. Interracial marriages have been forbidden by law, for instance in many American states. 



I don’t see how same sex marriage is different from frequently prohibited marriages between opposite sex people. 

Same sex marriage: it’s for 2 people above the age of consent who wish to marry. No coercion. 



Does this violate the religious freedom of religions which are against same sex marriage? No. Each religion can have its own rules on same sex marriage - just as religions may refuse to marry divorced people, etc. 

On the other hand, prohibiting same sex marriage denies freedom of religion to religions that are in favor of performing same sex marriage. 

While religions may choose not to perform same sex marriages, I hold that governments have no right to prohibit such marriages, as this violates an underlying ethical principle: liberty until harm (John Stuart Mills, 19th century philosopher). In other words, we have the right to liberty until such time as we harm others. 

More re same sex marraige. One can also turn to the command in the New Testament: do onto others what you would have them do onto you. In this case, it would be: Do onto gays and lesbians as you would have them do onto you (you in this case being someone heterosexual), if the situation were reversed and only gays and lesbians had the right to marry. 



The obvious answer: you’d want them to give you the right to marry. 

I’ve often asked myself: WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE COMMON AUSTRALIAN NEGATIVITY RE SAME SEX MARRIAGE? Where I live - Quebec, Canada - the acceptance rate for same sex marriage is over 90%. So I’ve been stunned when, over and over in writings from Australia, people hold opinions like the one above, that permitting same sex marriage means “it is no longer possible to make any legal distinction between the sexes.” 

As I’ve said, it makes as little sense to me as being against interracial or interfaith marriage, or the remarriage of divorced people. It’s consensual. It takes nothing away from those in one-race, one-faith, male-female first marriages. 

A Christian friend and his large Christian family recently celebrated their first-ever same-sex marriage - his daughter’s marriage. It was attended by everyone in the family. Many of the family members came from quite a distance - half a continent away - and from quite traditional communities. Some family members, especially older ones, did have a bit of learning to do. But in the end, everyone welcomed the happiness of the 2 brides. Good to see. 



One last comment: I heard that this piece might put off many readers, make them less ready to listen to something else I might say. 

My answer: what if readers are put off by my interview with Tommy Robinson, published last week? Should I then not post it?



One of the many things I admire about Tommy is his strong honesty, his willingness to speak out, in his case about the Islamic rape gangs and about the content of Islamic ideology, despite the huge cost to him. Once again, because he dares to speak out, he has been unjustly thrown into jail, and now moved to a jail with a large population of Islamic violent offenders. May he be safe.


Let's hope this doesn't happen again!

I think of Tommy. 


It doesn’t make sense to me to be silent. 









Comments

Elsa Schieder - As you are in Canada does your support of human rights extend to Ernst Zundel ? His right to free speech was taken away when he was put on trial twice in your "democratic" country. He was a holocaust revisionist and he put forward his arguments in a peaceful way without threatening anyone. https://codoh.com/library/document/3388/

Keep it simple stupid is a system that works, muddle with that system and the wheels fall off the wagon. Responsibilities are as important as rights, screw with the system, cause it to crash and radical becomes the new norm. Sooner or later when grotesquely offended by a daisy chain of screaming faggots going hard at it at a local school footy oval toilet block and the average punter thinks, yep, the Islamics punt these poofters from roof tops for good reason and quickly the dynamics change. Be prepared for that change woman, you have forced the hand , understand you will probably have to deal with the consequences and be sure, the colours won't be rainbow. Unlimited rights usually infringe unlimited people and when the state chooses not to protect the infringed vigilant people arrive.

What a load of shit miss.

I HOPE EVERYONE IS FEELING BRIGHT AND GAY TODAY.

FACT: Homosexuality is sociobiologically abnormal.

two fagots
a filthy habit
end of story

Can't wait for the day this all backfires on the queer knts, Muslims, Greenies & anyone that will say and do anything to get on the gravy train for all the wrong reasons.

All I am going to say about the above rubbish by Elsa Schieder is that it is just that...rubbish.She has twisted things to suit her beliefs. That's ok, she is entitled to her beliefs as I am to mine. I do not like the corrupt way this world is heading and nothing she, or any of her ilk say, will change my mind.The only point I agree on is the one about Tommy Robinson.

The normalisation of perverted behaviour is not a human right.

The Empire Strikes Back - Italy To Crack Down On Migrant Street Vendors With Massive Fines For Sellers ;and Buyers...The new Italian populist coalition government will crack down on illegal street vendors, many of whom are immigrants, with high fines for both the vendor and the buyer of illegal goods. Italian tourist destinations are normally full of vendors, mainly migrants, selling various wares from cheap souvenirs to knock off handbags, but that could soon change. Tourists who buy from unauthorised street vendors could be fined as much as 7000 euros under the new rules as the Italians look to combat the black market trade which is alleged to make upwards of 22 billion euros per year and deprives Italian lawmakers of 11 billion in tax revenues...

Global Warming the Biggest Fraud in History

Warning: 'R' Rated

'I'm jealous of Al Gore coming up with the scam first.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0

The Strange Death of Europe Series - "Feral "London Knife Attacks Becoming More Violent, Says Senior Police Officer. A senior Metropolitan Police officer has said that the weapons used in stabbings have got bigger , and injuries worse, and the attacks more "feral" in the past five years as London's violent crime spree continues. Met. Police Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt told the London Knife Crime summit on Wednesday that police officers were have to administer "trauma medicine" to stabbing victims who are increasingly being attacked with machete and hunting knives.. "The violence is getter greater. If I stood here five years ago I would probably be talking about knife offences where there was generally a single puncture would. We are now routinely seeing multiple stabbings.

Global Warming the Biggest Fraud in History

Warning: 'R' Rated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0

new post up Harry at it again Go Harry

NEW POST UP.... THERE IS A GOD

Check-out staff baulk at bag filth

EWIN HANNAN
Mice, cockroaches, dentures and dirty nappies have been found by supermarket workers in reusable shopping bags.

Driving into Tullamarine yesterday i noticed that the flash building on the right as you drive in on the Tulla Freeway that once had "The Age" stamped proudly on the front now has some other name. Poor ol' Fairfax journo's must be working out of their garages now. Shame about that.

The Strange Death of Europe Series - Exclusive Comments: "Fed Up" UKIP Peer Hits Back After Radical Mosque Question Jeered in Lords Debate - Members of the House of Lords have mocked the suggestion that the government should monitor mosques Islamic madrasses "hate speech" calling for the UKIP Peer who asked the question be monitored instead. Baroness Warsi, a former Conservative minister to was made a life peer after her government career ended, replied to his question in the house by asking if it would instead be prudent to monitor Lord Pearson's words in the chamber for "Islamophobia and hatred towards Muslims." Speaking after the debate the UKIP Peer said "the real hatred" was with "silly" members of the House of Lords who had shouted him down...

People wonder why Australian factories are going offshore.

40 odd years ago the Aus gov thought it would be a good idea to do away with tariffs and things would be cheaper and people would be able to buy more stuff, Then Aus Gov realised they were missing out on tax so they introduced the GST. The money you saved on not having to pay tariffs on imported items was soon swallowed up by GST. Gov still had its income. Then Aus companies could not compete and closed down. Lots of people out of work on the dole, a fraction of the wages they were making but still have to pay the GST. It is about time that Australians voted in someone like Pauline calling for tariffs to return manufacturing, and doing away with the GST at the same time.

Why are farmers allowed to slaughter Wombats in Victoria? Who is aware of this fact?