The weather at any spot is usually defined by max/min temperatures, humidity, precipitation and wind strength/direction. Weather varies hourly, daily, season-to-season and place-to-place. These weather measurements at any place can be averaged over various time periods.

Climate is defined as the average of thirty years of weather. Mark Twain explained the difference: “Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get”.

Weather statistics can be averaged over larger areas, such by region, state, continent or the globe. This is a mathematical abstraction, becoming less accurate and less meaningful as the time or area covered increases. A global average annual temperature which (after debatable adjustments) includes winter in the Antarctic and summer in the Sahara is irrelevant. No one lives in the global average temperature.

Weather and climate have been so politicised that most commentaries are now merely propaganda.

In the Brave New World of global warming alarmists, a long frigid winter is “just weather”, but one stinking hot summer day is “clear evidence of dangerous man-made climate change”. 

And despite an un-predicted 17 years of stable global temperature trends, their prophets still chant their doleful dirge: “Unless we have a carbon tax, extreme weather disasters are coming your way soon”

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johnno
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You wicked wicked man…..you, as an evil sceptic, will be struck down by lightning (during one of the many man-made electrical storms that we now experience – having never had before). 🙂

boronic
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boronic

They can have all these theories about the Earth,the wind the sky or climate change or what-ever—–but we have only been recording the different happenings on our Earth for a couple of hundred years[factual]—so really I think their talking a whole load of crap.

MervynSullivan
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MervynSullivan

Fully agree… and people should read “Punch Drunk on CO2…Dizzy from Spin” that demonstrates the stupidity about all this climate change alarmist nonsense!

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

They are about as scientific as dogs doo. It has left science long ago and become a mix of politics and religion.

terrestre
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terrestre

one= on* the record .

terrestre
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terrestre

They could say closer to the mark, that weather is an observed cyclic phenomenon as far as we know it to date ,;but .. settled?? in what time .. space scale?? SEE

ApplePie
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ApplePie

Perhaps the alarmists and doomsayers have not yet targeted Miami – your time will come , Bruce.

RobertDeFrancesch
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RobertDeFrancesch

Climate can vary from one valley to the next, even from one side of the valley to the next, one side of a hill or a desert near an ocean as opposed to 3km inland. There are cycles, of course one year, but some years are hotter, wetter, windier, colder, more unsettled than others. The egyptians have used an 11 year cycle for 1600 years, as they are utterly dependent on the only source of water, the nile and they have noticed this, especially when they had floods of 35 metres every year. That is why Aswan stores 10 years… Read more »

RobertDeFrancesch
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RobertDeFrancesch

Actually I was so sick of asking science questions that I wrote a blog about why there isn’t a problem http://globalcarbon.blogspot.com.au/

Hunter02
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Hunter02

j.s. is right ! Alarmist = You have hit the jackpot – money for bullshit and lies,forever ! If you are a – Denier = You will be destitute, an outcast and will end up on the scrap heap. Government funding is just that. If you don’t push the alarmist theory your are Fooked !! Choice becomes simple for so called scientists.

bsbuster
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bsbuster

Forget climate change.The climates’ always changing.I had 4 seasons in one day when I lived in Victoria…………..the hottest summer day & the coldest winter day was at Sale in Gippsland.And the IPCC were never in existance then.

igiveup
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igiveup

It’s not all bad. This C02 bull at least started me reading. There are some incredibly clever people out there, I don’t put myself forward as one, but can read. If you want to see just what can be done turn brain on and follow link. http://www.jupitersdance.com/

bsbuster
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bsbuster

So now,because of “Climate Change”,Greenland is growing crops to feed their population they haven’t seen in years.And their actually wearing T Shirts with words like “We luv Climate Change” & “The IPPC are a mob of tossers”.So what if sea levels are rising-I live in Toowoomba & I always wanted water views.

igiveup
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igiveup

It’s not all bad. This C02 bull at least started me reading. there are some incredibly clever people out te

terrestre
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terrestre

It explains the `extremes ` even back then not just 30 small yrs like they home in on nowadays?? That book has detailed real serious concise observations ,and the patterns are there, as they are now ..still.Those archived patterns were made to help us not to fear reality but to work with it.. they did .. and so can we.Why deny such high caliber observations diarised?Why not use that for productivity and safety?

terrestre
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terrestre

Wether=Weather (sorry).

terrestre
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terrestre

It really explains well the wether observations Viv at that time. Even electrometer changes with southerly bursters stating “Expected Nov-Feb“ attended with strong electrical excitement .“~~“ A stream of sparks being produced for an hour at the electrometer“.. he goes on to say re; Southerly Bursters* “..pg 19 very detailed descriptions in that book“State by state.They telegraphed the info to principled towns .They were very switched ON back then..by comparison.Tuned right in as food relied ON that.

Corporalselwyngeorge
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B O M brisbane has a new weather detecting device, they,ve cut a bigger hole in the wall for better manual sight.

terrestre
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terrestre

Slightly off topic , but a Mr James Busby Viticulturist also says in 1828 a fellow Mr T.A .Coghlan wrote `Wealth and Progress of NSW`.. would be a useful economic trove source he says. Busby also mentions a James King of 1857another viticulturist , but the point is to master that commodity one pays close attention to weather at that time also. Thus records relative re economy.The Little Book By Mr Muskett mentions wool crops etc etc. methods..all weather relayed.it is a wealth of produce / economy crops and it concisely presented , volumes, dates specifics.

PeterE
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Why do we never hear how the earths tilt, our orbit around the sun, solar max and solar min affect our temps?
Who do these morons think thawed us out of the ice ages which we’ve had plenty of. I guess most of the retards can ignore the fact we’ve had multiple ice ages. Why is it the right minded people are willing to look at real science while the leftards are willing to blindly believe what ever they see or hear int he media?

terrestre
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terrestre

it explains what I mention re temp , weather, why they averaged so as to relay info back to the Commonwealth sovereign motherland etc.Economics, all sorts of ideas and real observations by reputable surgeons, meteorologists, economists etc compilation.It is a fine recommendation.It may be in State Libraries?? Second hand shops? A real value of info.

terrestre
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terrestre

There is a teriffic little (possibly out of print/publish circulation now)Book I have, if others may seek it out, called `The ART of Living in Australia` By Phillip .E .Muskett (1893*) It is dedicated to the People of Australia, with `Hope ` for The Development of all* the Natural food Industries of our country.Full of facts real observations comparisons and in excellent healthy unselfish faith, Viv*.

.shirtlifter
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.shirtlifter

The climate has been changing for about 6 billion years – nothing new about that – why tax it now?

terrestre
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terrestre

Correction. No* Longer that generalised Mean av need . It is relative but not the needed focus because Now with archived local real results , that is More** relative and a need , a safer need, to know well ones closer surrounds, closer observations, and neighbours in Our Pacific zone.Now that population, experiences, and real patterns are now* more relaible to go by. Whereas it was largely station Population lack of established numbers that Euros did that averaging Initially.Eg before they have Populated WA, the last state to be colonised and keep records re weather, That was why they did… Read more »

RustyoftheWest
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RustyoftheWest

The governments had almost no interest in the environment until some bright spark came up with a tax idea, then they were all suddenly very interested.

terrestre
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terrestre

Yes Viv I agree re; No-one lives in a Global temp qualitative* enviro .Over generalising is results of quantitative categorisation `attempts`.. to generalise the perception angles.To deliberately take the focus off precision so as to allow for deviation and lack of liability (in fact as I see it) design wise.See when Europeans were new to Oz they needed to broadly compare to Sth Europe as in .. compare to what they knew did exist , for a foundation a base.. and also with Nth Pole , Nth nations , Equatorial etc to then compare. BUT over 300 yrs there is… Read more »

jacksprat
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jacksprat

The Howard Government kept us out of the GFC.

jacksprat
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jacksprat

The only reason being is that they are looking for another JOB or another Grant to keep them in the life style they have accustom to.

bsbuster
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bsbuster

We’ve said it before & I’ll say it again:whenever money is involved you can screw around with the figures to suit any purpose you like.And of course when votes & a tax are involved,Governments are only too happy to legislate any outcomes that suit them.Of course Climate Change is a crock of shit,as now nearly 65% of us all realize.And fancy putting a tax on the one gas in this world that gives us life,carbon dioxide-the food of life for trees.What absolute bullshit & Labor still can’t get with the programme.

@screwedtenancy
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@screwedtenancy

Can someone smarter than me please explain how you can control the climate with a tax?