For decades, climate alarmists have been attempting to trigger global cooling by killing industry with carbon taxes and absorbing solar energy with windmills, solar panels and wood-fired power stations.

It seems they may have succeeded as Antarctica now has an expanding fringe of sea ice which recently reached an all-time high. 

Where are the environmentalists raising alarms about pooped penguins at the edge of survival, trudging extra mile after mile across the frozen Antarctic sea ice to reach open water? 

And who is preparing to protect the native penguins of Chile when feral Emperor penguins start walking on to Cape Horn? 

Seems like the Greens have goofed again?

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Regardless, the original impetus for all this was Viv’s statement that increasing sea ice proves climate change is not anthropogenic. My question then was why is land ice decreasing. I guess your response Hadenuff would be that it’s all part of a natural cycle. Fair enough, hope you are right. I still have a lot of reading to do!

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The CO2 levels I was referring to were for human history. The Ordovician levels don’t count. For starters Plimer got his data from Robert Berner who himself said that the readings were unreliable and should not be taken literally. There is no doubt they were higher, but solar activity was lower at that time and we have no reliable data of cyclic fluctuations within that time. Climate scientists say that Ordovician data is consistent with CO2 and warming, but I think it’s too long ago to really be taken seriously, far too many unknowns.

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Ha! Googled ‘ice star’ hoping to find some new cool astronomical curiosity but all I got was Torvill and Dean.

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It seems lag works both ways. A natural change triggers warmth, thus CO2 increases. It takes time, 300-1000 years seem to be common estimates. Then CO2 seems to amplify the heating effect for the next few thousand years. The ice core samples show that we now have higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations than during any of the previous warmer periods so I wonder how easily the system will recover. Surely the current situation is unprecedented?

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Hadenuff, I understood that things like ice core samples, rock samples and so forth indicated that atmospheric CO2 concentrations have never been as high sat they are now?

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Brim

A common line of reasoning used here buy Larry and Viv is that we have had no warming for a decade or so so therefore climate scientists are wrong. I’m not claiming to belong to either side, I’m just looking for truth, one step at a time. They say there has been no warming. The thermometers seem to say otherwise. I’m not saying climate change is true or false. Can someone comment intelligently?

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Roman warm period, medieval warm period were both warmer than current state of the planet. And guess what, stupid? The earth recovered nicely, thank you. It seems that YOU are the denialist.

Brim
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Mister Right stated that this century has had the warmest temperatures on record. Upon checking the data it seems he is correct. Can one you other fellas comment on this?

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mr bruce, throwing insults online is a cowardly act. Let’s not hold our breath for a ‘learned opinion’ Hadenuff.

Thatch
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Mr Right, tell us what is the best and optimum temperature for the planet. If you and your Green friends could chose the ideal average temperature for the planet what would it be? Would the majority of the world’s population agree with you? I am not a climate denialist, I believe there is climate, it has always changed and it always will change.

Thatch
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Here is a scientific and indisputable fact: there has been no warming for 18 years.

johnno
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Beautifully put. Climate, by definition, changes.