Time and again the halal certification advocates throw up the export argument. Those of us who want a choice, or even refuse to buy halal, are accused of hurting good ol’ Aussie businesses. We are wrecking the economy, closing businesses down, yada, yada, yada!

Let me say right now, it is a myth. A furphy. A porky pie if you will.

As you read these statistics and figures remember this;  The official census figures tell us 2.2% of our nation is Islamic.

Recently I wrote an article explaining how less than 5% of all Australian chicken is exported and yet more than 80% of it is halal certified. I went on to explain how the majority of the export destinations are not even Islamic. So more than 80% of our chicken is subject to an Islamic religious practices and fees, yet less than 2% could even possibly require it.

This theme continues across many staples including world famous industries such as white milk, fresh bread and red meat.

Let’s have a look at fresh bread. Sales from exports account for less than one per cent of turnover in bread manufacturing. Yet most of the major supermarket bread brands in Australia pay halal certification fees. Way more than half pay an Islamic religious fee,  yet only around 2% of the population could possibly require it.

What about the great daily staple of white milk? Australia produces a huge amount of this stuff with around 40% exported.  With all the major brands like Parmalat, Lion and Dairy Framers forking out the Islamic religious fees you would think most of that 40% must end up in the Middle East or the predominantly Muslim Asian countries. You would be wrong. The biggest market after Australia is China, Japan, and then Singapore. Way down the list is Malaysia and Indonesia. Yet the big milk companies whinge about how little money is made producing milk… and we all know the farmer gets buggar all.

Yet somehow they manage to find enough money to pay this Islamic religious tax to appease a very small percentage of the market.

And the holy grail of the defenders of the halal faith is meat exports.

Did you know our biggest customers for frozen or chilled meat exports are the USA, Japan, and Korea who combined account for about 70% of the total? The Middle East and Asia make up less than 20%.

Australian consumers deserve accurate information and a choice as to whether or not they want to fund Islamic religious practices. It is not the same as organic, heart tick or Kosher which are all clearly labelled so you can choose.

This is a religious practice that 2.2 % of our population adheres to and it is being imposed upon us without our knowledge most of the time.

So the next time a halal sympathiser throws the export myth in your face tell them their serve of porky pie simply lacks any substance.

 

References:

 http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/retail-industry/submissions/sub001.pdf 

 http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Industry-information/About-Dairy-Australia/~/media/Documents/Stats%20and%20markets/In%20Focus/Australian%20Dairy%20Industry%20In%20Focus%202013.pdf

http://www.agriculture.gov.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/ag-food/quota/red-meat/red-meat-statistics/latest-meat-export-figures.pdf

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BikinisnotBurkas
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BikinisnotBurkas

Halal Certification is a total scam because the stone statue named Allah said this in Quran 5:5:- This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them.

BlackRoo
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BlackRoo

Well Kirralie, the next step is to WARN those non Muslim countries that are receiving HALAL products from Australia. Surely those countries would not want this shit happening. Some greasy dirty bearded arse wipe bending over “blessing” their food, huh?

igiveup
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igiveup

There is a very strong demand for virgins as well, we know that for sure. But would it be right to round them up an ship them out? Cows should not be rounded up and turned into sailors either, I know there’s lots of money in it but it’s not right. Cruelty is a no no in a civilized society.

Dynamite
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Dynamite

Alpinist, this is not the Drum, so there is no need to be obnoxious. That the media has lost interest is not relevant. All power to Kirralea and best wishes to her for exposing what is obviously a nasty racket.

Dynamite
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Dynamite

I don’t think it is Christian to call wrong “right”.

GailLouise
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GailLouise

I’m not familiar with “name calling” as a form of civilised debate so do your worst. I saw your posts on another thread concerning Bega cheese and you resorted to name calling there. As a resident of the South Coast, which I believed you also professed to be, I can tell you that if a business regardless of its’ location chooses to pay an halal certification tax then it is contributing to the furtherance of Sharia law in Australia and terrorism both here and overseas. This needs to be stopped straight away – no question. If you have doubts do… Read more »

GailLouise
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GailLouise

Our soldiers and police risking their lives against terrorism and rights gone with Sharia law – all for profits overseas? You call someone “stupid” because they fail to agree. Looks like you might like to try on the words: “treason” and “coward” for a fit

GailLouise
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GailLouise

A news story on channel 7 last night – that Kraft is pu;;ing all its vegemite off the shelves in UK as sales have dropped hugely. The reporter had no reason other to say there must have been a drop in aussie tourists. I don’t have the evidence that it was anti-halal but if they are working as hard in the UK and elsewhere as we are, then one can only hope. So thanks Kirralie for giving us the tools to try. 60,000 plus likes on “boycott halal in Australia” and, of course, all the thousands of likes on “halal… Read more »

cmac
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cmac

NO Tman, our exports need not be stopped at all. IF certification is required – it can be arranged and paid for by the buyer. It can be and should be done. No halal here. Too easy.

cmac
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cmac

Exports can continue – just we dont have any halal certification here locally. What part of that can you NOT UNDERSTAND? are you that stupid? NO halal HERE!

cmac
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cmac

Exactly, Tman – why dont you READ what people say you bloody moron!

Chris
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Chris

Yes Eric. Please go and put that suggestion of yours under its own heading.

alphanumeric
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alphanumeric

Tman, a government non profit agency being responsible for testing and certification would put an end to the extortion scam.

Chris
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Chris

Tman you are obsessed with HALAL certification. Why?

Chris
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Chris

No-one is stopping exports. Exports can continue. Some Australians would just like the food that is HALAL certified to be labelled, so that we can leave it on the shelf. Thank you Tman. We don’t force you to eat something you don’t want to eat. Show us the same respect.

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Thorn, Tman will never get real. To get real you need to understand the premis of the argument. Tman has shown that he cannot.

Chris
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Chris

Get real Tman!

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Tman, you are too selective in your comprehension. Yes, the importers require halal, JUST BECAUSE IT IS A SCAM. Does not mean we have to submit to extortion. Does the Indonesian government require halal certification. Why then does Indonesia have 6 million pigs in 2002. http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/858/global-pig-numbers-world-hog-population-2002

Frogga
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Frogga

So Coke doesn’t but they happily consume it not knowing if alcohol or pork products are in the 7x concentrate? Well I don’t blame them as only a handful of people know the recipe. Seems if they want it bad enough they’ll consume non certified product.

johnmack56
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johnmack56

I would like a list of companies that have halal cerification.

uno1
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uno1

I have just found out that my local kebab shop here in a Melbourne shopping mall has removed all references to halal. I know the owners hate muslims as they have told me. They are from a country were they were persecuted by muslims. Whilst I expect that they still buy their meat from the same sources they now don’t wish to advertise the scam. It seems we are getting somewhere with the campaigns.

Chris
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Chris

I don’t think Cocacola do?

Bargeass
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Bargeass

Can anyone tell me if Coca Cola and Pepsi pay the Halal Tax please it could give a very good insight to this argument?

Chris
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Chris

You still haven’t explained why we have to pay for certification for the export business.

Frogga
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Frogga

If you think paying Halal fees on Beef Jerky, Milk and Coffee is legit then you are just part of the problem. If you think it is right to subject the whole population to this racket you are as much of the problem for the deterioration of this country as the lost exports are.

Chris
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Chris

SPECIFICALLY what export business are you concerned about Tman?

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Tman, the only reason that these countries require the Halal Logo is the extortion racket. Nothing really to do with the food. If your country is somewhat weak in the creation of wealth compared to other countries, you can either lift yourself up by hard work, or you can do the mafia thing and extort. Those are the basic facts. It is a confected thing the halal scam. So the countries just need it to get the certification fees for a few rich blokes who have nothing else to contribute. If one follows the news regularly you will notice how… Read more »

cmac
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cmac

You may expect a Christian to be charitable, but what you stand for is stupidity and you expect others to fall in line with your own, irrational expectations. Sorry, we’re not joining you willingly.

cmac
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cmac

Waiting for your rebuttal, Tman? Yes, its too hard proving your ridiculous assertions , isn’t it?

cmac
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cmac

IPG – That is a gross under-statement.This “Tman’ has not the foggiest idea.

cmac
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cmac

…yes, and monies are paid to certifiers which then pass it on to Islamic organisations. We (I) do not wish to ‘donate’ to Islam or any other religious third-party. We do not wish to patronise or support companies or entities that have any financial association with any religious group, especially Islam. We demand the right to know what products are certified – that they be labelled so that we may avoid them and their producers. If certification is required for export – the government should oversee it and remove the financial gain now being exploited by Islamic organisations.

cmac
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cmac

Mr Tman – still no proof, copious amounts of vitriol; a masterful display of ignorance and contempt for thinking people. “up yours”.

DoubtfulJohn
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DoubtfulJohn

There goes the export market.

DoubtfulJohn
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DoubtfulJohn

Britain has a significant muslim population. How come Sainsbury are pulling halal Vegemite from the shelves? Oh, right.. You say it’s the downturn? All the muslim Aussies working in London have headed home?

ZER5
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ZER5

Are these companies paying halal tax or protection money ?

Frogga
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Frogga

Have a go at this guy http://www.patcondell.net/ you’ll love it!

Frogga
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Frogga

use the Halal Choices site when I shop as brands like Devondale don’t have the symbol. The bottom line is either it is a scam or Muslims are thick. Why are the following certified: Coffee? Beef Jerky? Cow’s Milk? I get how machines in factories can produce stuff with nuts and traces may be left behind when they produce a batch of something else and we live with reading the labels, why cant they? What has pig produce and alcohol got to do with the above and why the hell to I want my produce blessed by some nut job… Read more »

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Tman, how many muslims use smart phones made in China. Pork is a staple in China, with there being 457 million pigs in China. How can the mobile and smart phones be halal if assembled by persons who consume pork. Using this site as reference, http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/858/global-pig-numbers-world-hog-population-2002, it is interesting to see that Indonesia has 6 million pigs, Brunei has 6,000, Egypt has 29,500, Israel has 155,000 , China has 457,000,000 and Saudi is not listed.

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Tman, the music and video industry also is zone dependent. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code and see that if the music industry can do it, so can the food industry. Many years ago, at least 25 or so, an executive of Vegemite was interviewed on TV about why they did not list their ingredients on the label. Their excuse was that there was no room on the label. So the interviewer pulled out a jar of Vegemite exported to the USA and showed that they had the ingredients listed. What could the Vegemite executive say, but just go red in the face.… Read more »

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

Tman, the certifcation I pay depends on which countries I export to, as each country has their own safety rules and standards. So if my industry designs according to the target country, then so can the food industry. Halal is an extortion SCAM.

wiseone
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wiseone

You won’t be able to pull up reply to comments on Kirralee or Viv’s page. You have to scroll down to the comments you reply too.

Thatch
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Thatch

Halal certification benefits only 2% of the population. If Muslims require this inspection let them pay for it themselves.

Thatch
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Thatch

Kirralie never said the Muslim population was 18%, she mentioned an article from the UK that claimed that. Go back and read the post

cmac
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cmac

Well, there you are Tman… 18% Vs 2.2% – a massive discrepancy. We will listen to you if you can provide credible sources to support any assertion. We would like to know just as much as you why there is such a huge gap.

ImPropaGanda
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ImPropaGanda

You show by this question that you have no understanding of business, as it depends on the type of product and hence the type of business. But then you knew that already, so it is a trick question.