People migrate when they are starving, fearful or oppressed. Industries are the same.

At the same time that unhappy people are flooding towards Europe and Australia, the climate wars in those same countries are sending struggling business refugees to Asia. They are migrating as government promotion of expensive intermittent energy (wind and solar) and government taxes on hydro-carbon energy cause soaring electricity costs and falling profits.

The sad results of Europe’s infatuation with wind and solar energy toys are clear. Without Russian gas, French nuclear, Scandinavian hydro, North Sea oil, Iceland geothermal and German and Polish coal, the European green zone would freeze in the dark every winter.

Green energy is not the solution – it is the problem.

Denmark is a wind energy poster-child. When the wind blows, electricity prices go into free-fall and surplus Danish power is exported to Scandinavia – at discounted prices. Then when the wind drops, the canny Swedes send hydro power back to the Danes – at peak prices. So Danish wind power does indeed deliver cheap energy (at times) – but to Sweden. Scotland is treading a similar road and its last reliable coal-fired generator was closed last week.

At the height of the solar energy bubble, the sunny Mediterranean countries spent their credit-worthiness in subsidising solar and wind energy. From Spain to Greece, they are now facing bankruptcy, and their industries are migrating.

German politicians illustrate the full spectrum of energy foolishness. They dream of closing their efficient nuclear and coal generators, while also becoming independent of Russian gas and banning shale gas exploration. No wonder their real industries are migrating.

Australia is following Europe, just more slowly. Already much of our industrial base has migrated to Asia or plans to: metal smelting and refining, steel making, oil refining, car and tool manufacturing, weapons and equipment making, food processing and so on.

And, as green doomsters in developed nations also advocate dumping shares in hydro-carbon producing companies, smarter people are picking up these shares at bargain prices, so control and management is also fleeing from the climate wars to Asia.

At the same time, scarce capital in the green war zone is being frittered on UN schemes to inflict green energy on the third world.

Future generations will look back in wonder at this futile expulsion of our capital, industry and jobs. It will not reduce CO2 emissions – just moves them elsewhere with not the slightest effect on Earth’s climate or biosphere.

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mrgg@bigpond
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PLUS …… DIRTY ELECTRICITY has many negative effects on human health. Plenty info on the net. One day soon there will be a number of legal actions over these ‘situations’.

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Raw electricity delivered to the consumer is DIRTY and ERRATIC and the supply of same, beyond the meter box is NOT as best as it can be and is therefore not able to be efficiently used/consumed. There is a LOT of waste.’Some associates’ are bringing in new technology P& E to ‘economise’ consumption without loss of business demand for efficient operations. Targeting 20 to 25% ‘savings’ !? Several ‘extra’ benefits in business P& E efficiencies, reliability and longevity. “we’ should be in the market for investors by about Sept ’15. Via Pub Coys and with attractive PE’s.

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…AND for Political diplomacy the Asian countries will ‘pay lip service’ to participating in climate control measures etc. China has so much demand for industrialisation it will have to continue to use coal fire powered and nuclear powered stations with the end result of not really achieving and CO2 etc reductions. China can absorb MANY migrating industries and as soon as they have the ‘working knowledge’ the original owner’s and emigree’s will no longer be required. Then they will have to ‘Go home’. Great short term business opps. but do not burn the bridges.

warrenraymond
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warrenraymond

Don’t you know the difference between investment and subsidies?

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Phantom …. I made a mistake once … one time ..

I thought I’d made a mistake … but it turned out I was wrong 🙂

johnno
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johnno

And these bloody bastards are allowed to get away with their lies every time!!

johnno
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johnno

I read some Facebook page praising some government somewhere for “providing the poor with free solar panels”. Free!! Amazing. Nobody paid for them at all !!! Maybe it was Fantasyland or the Magic Pudding. Some morons sadly actually believe that they are free!!

BloodyAmazed
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BloodyAmazed

We wonder who Billy B really is? Does he/she work for the ABC or Getup? Is it one of the fanatical Eco-terrorist Greens? Labor-Loony-Left? Regardless, he/she comes across is someone who sprouts a load of unsubstantiated bunkum.

BloodyAmazed
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BloodyAmazed

Spot on Hermes

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BloodyAmazed

This Greens lie motivated thousands of clueless “environmentally conscious” fools to vote out the Newman government which had reversed the massive pollution allowed by QLD Labor and Greens during Beattie/Bligh years. The biggest confidence trickery in QLD’s history, along with the lie about asset sales.

NoosaDuck
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NoosaDuck

ASk the Germans …they reckon its working so well they are abandoning renewable energy, building new coal & possibly nuclear power stations because it was sending them broke buying electricity from France…

Bargeass
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Bargeass

As always Luvs ya Viv! I am listening to ya!

GeorgeofMagpie
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GeorgeofMagpie

Yes he did. As always. Some of The other hysterical posts in here about mercury.. FFS

NoosaDuck
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NoosaDuck

Hermes…as Paul keating stated of Hawke…the biggest problem he had as Federal Treasurer was tying to fix all the fuck ups made by Hawke & the ACTU…

Beegle
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Beegle

The climate hasn’t warmed in near on 20 years yet millions of tons of man made co2 has gone into the atmosphere. Therefore disproves co2 induced warming. An inconvenient truth for the alarmists.

JimofSydney
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A lot! If the renewables subsidies stopped all union industry super funds would tank taking down the savings of tens of thousands of those with industry super. Even Tony Abbott would think twice about sending workers super savings into the toilet – hence his softly softly approach to doing anything meaningful about cutting back on either the targets or the subsidies.

stukric
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stukric

Part of the fabian plan for one world commo govt. Sunspot activity has and does control earth’s temperature.

DoctorBen
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DoctorBen

Cost of power in manufacturing in Australia is only one of the factors, labour costs are also high compared to rest of the world. At the end of 2009, not that long ago, my company employed 32 people. At the end of 2014 it had eight employees. Productivity has increased merely by replacing people with machines. A lot cheaper to run. There were numerous other factors as well, apart from the high wages, including union interference. Wind and solar power will never replace proven sources of electricity.

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

BB … you are talking about bio-magnification … only plants and animals within close proximity of the old dirty coal fired stations would have been affected .. the heavy metals are concentrated as they pass up the food chain … you would be extremely unlucky to succumb …

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

BB .. that publication is 14 tears old … it states that by 2003 mercury emissions to be reduced ….

“the EPA announced that it will require a reduction in mercury emissions from coal-fired powerplants, with regulations proposed by 2003 and final rules for implementation completed by 2004”

Today modern coal fired power stations are clean burning ….

igiveup
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igiveup

I think the entire Globe has a bad case of “The Black Dog” and is suicidal.

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz
Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Many of the heavy metals released in the mining and burning of coal are environmentally and biologically toxic elements, such as lead, mercury, nickel, tin, cadmium, antimony, and arsenic, as well as radio isotopes of thorium and strontium.6 Apr 2015
Heavy metals and coal – SourceWatch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heavy_metals_and_coal

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Not siding with Billy Phantom .. just pointing out that coals do contain impurities but today coal fired stations do not release these impurities into the atmosphere …

BB is basing his argument on coal fired stations of the past ..

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CountryBloke

Billy B, what the hell was she eating? I remember a story about a nutritionist (believe it or not) that ate mainly swordfish ie Marlin, Broadbill Swordfish etc and it gave her some health problems…in fact I think she lost a child she was carrying?..not the same dill is it?? To get mercury poisoning you’d have to eat an absolute SHITLOAD of high mercury content fish. Here in Vic there used to be a ban on taking any large shark ie Bronze Whaler, Hammerhead etc, “bitey” sharks. I think the size limit was around 7 feet or so. The ban… Read more »

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Australian coals deposits are mostly very clean … but deposits elsewhere are “dirty coals” which carry impurities such as heavy metals and sulfur … brown coals are the worst

JofG
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JofG

Do you think that RET really means RORT EVERY TAXPAYER? Another “R” word comes to mind.

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

I agree BB .. yes, heavy metal pollution, acid rain etc .. true in the past

But today the coal fired stations are clean burning …

T_W_O
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T_W_O

Should be renamed to “Global Spoofing”.

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

“lethality of the beloved black poison rocks”

Coal is a fossil fuel …

Poison ? …. a bit OTT there you think BB ?

NoosaDuck
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NoosaDuck

Still in Nappies Billy…..manufacturing was moving off shore to China & elsewhere in Asia from this country from the early 1980’s you know when Hawke ran the ACTU …….Clothing manufacturers were the first to go….The wage demands made it impossible to make a decent profit…….Its called shooting yourself in the foot…..but try telling that to the likes of Hawke & Shorten….those Union thugs that think that they are politicians…Go study some history Billy you might learn something…
Manufactures do not “go off shore” for the fun of it…..they were forced to do so….

T_W_O
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T_W_O

I think going with best available technology in Nuclear is the way to go.

T_W_O
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T_W_O

We can’t afford to close them down, and replace them with what?

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

The destructive power of socialism at work …

Destroying our society …. undermining our economy ..

OldCodger
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OldCodger

Greatest example of ‘Mass Hysteria’ since the ‘Flat Earthers’.

T_W_O
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T_W_O

Wow, just so screwed is the world becoming, about energy