The GST carve-up is developing into an insoluble mess where no State can ever be happy. There always has been only one solution and that is to allow each State to raise (and/or lower) its own GST take. The States, not the Federal Government, should live or die electorally by its own administration of this tax.

It is inconceivable that WA still doesn’t get even 50 per cent back from what it raises. 

Other nations’ VAT or equivalent is never split up between States, provinces or boroughs as ours is.

The raising or lowering of the GST take is impossible when all States have to agree to any change as there is always one or more States approaching an election.

Five per cent of the total States’ GST take should go to the Commonwealth for topping up in cases of natural disasters and other anomalies.

Any further adjustments can be administered by the Commonwealth Grants Commission in the normal way.

States already have the infrastructure to administer a tax, so there is no additional cost.

What we have now is self-induced madness. 

 

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manfromOZ
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manfromOZ

One Nation was pushing for abolition of payroll tax instead of reduction in company tax, but of cause its a state issue.

JofG
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JofG

Meanwhile, silly Billy is over here spruiking his wares, reckons he is going to make the GST more equitable for West Aussies plus is promising $87 million for some obscure project at Midland – yeah, sure Billy!

Bananabender
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Bananabender

GST is applied to the price of goods last, after all costs and the retailers margin. So you also pay tax on their profit margin. In the case of fuel were you have a variety of “levies” depending on the end use you are paying GST on those so called levies which are taxes in disguise anyway. So in effect your being taxed on being taxed brilliant!

Elsa
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Elsa

Why then didn’t the then Treasurer demand those State taxes abolished ? Most likely Howards smoke and mirrors that the selling point was that the States could keep them if they signed up to the GST

HappyExpat
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HappyExpat

Say what you like. The GST is far superior than the old WST. The problem with it is how the funds raised should be distributed. It was supposed to be a “growth” tax to relieve the Commonwealth from the annual bickering at the Loan Council meetings but like everything else that public servants have a hand in it has become a complete fuck up. Just distribute the money on a population basis to the states where it is raised. Better still pass the whole lot lover to the states to administer themselves.

rumpole36
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rumpole36

I wasn’;t aware that dante “pretends not to be a leftist” BK. I always thought he was displaying it openly.

ani-mal
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ani-mal

Get rid of all taxes = no more Canberra. I’ll vote for that!

blyth
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blyth

A program on SBS last night about Old king George , his personal letters have been released to the public,What caught my attention was his urging of the government to control its debts !Making the point that growing debt would ruin the country I thought how apt ,perhaps the socialist regimes should take more notice of the writings of a three hundred year old monarch than the charlatans and scam artists that seemingly infest government today, And incidentally ,He did not lose the American colonies, That was the work of parliament and beyond his control.

blyth
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blyth

That was my understanding, That state govs would abolish a lot of state levied taxes in return a GST would be introduced , but as we know most of the states reneged on the agreement , so now they get the cut of the gst plus the taxes that are still in place, Which adder up to a hugh windfall tax for them. Which i might add has done nothing for state gov s budgets as most still seem to be adding debt every year.

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As I said last Friday, there are about 3 million licenced gun owners in Australia. Take an average gun owner (like myself) to have 5 guns and there you have over 15 million legal guns in Oz. This does not count the estimated 2 million that were not handed back and the estimated 1 million that are stored in the Mosques and Bikies safes around the Country.

dante
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dante

Give us your spin on the Gillard “There will be no carbon tax in a Government I lead” BK. Can’t wait for that one

dante
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dante

You have just sanitised someone making a statement and reneging on it BK. No wonder you condone all the Abbott bullshit. I suggest you are a master at propaganda and spinning. Having that make up, you can justify anything.

Dapto
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Dapto

In a blink of an eye the GST will be @50%

pelican
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pelican

‘self induced madness’ Larry..that is Australian politics through and through….the problem with that suggestion is that the States were meant to remove a host of their own taxes…this only happened to a limited extent…in other words the States cant be trusted…if they havent removed the state taxes, then they cant have a full quota of GST carveup..but of course such simple solutions are beyond the vision of the Zio Zombies we know as our politicians…one in particular who has hijacked the Australian Government is now running a gaming racket for himself with power prices..and no-one is mentioning it..

vecchio
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vecchio

OT It was all OK until the idiots introduced, and subsidised, unreliable wind and solar and sold the poles and wires. Like buying a cheap car that only works sometimes, because it’s cheap, utter madness!

DaveNQ
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DaveNQ

Sounds reasonable

CSB
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CSB

Why can’t the Government cumpulsorily aquire Liddell for the greater good. Just like it does when any of our properties when it’s in the way of one of their roads. This happens even though they plan to sell it on to to the parasites for pennies on the dollar later.

-sailor-
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-sailor-

Unfortunately, common sense has no place in government so letting states tax its voters is not going to happen. Perhaps the larger plan is for the abolition of state governance, not without its merits for sure but will make the road to socialism at lot easier & the same for the creation of a Islamic national socialist state a certainty. Oh! what a tangled web THEY weave……

Elsa
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Elsa

Liddell could be put back into public ownership by declaring it’s sale illegal , those who orchestrated the deal have a vested interest in that end of town which will show insider trading of public assets .

OrangPutih
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OrangPutih

Said before and saying again; any taxation is nothing more than legalised theft.

BloodyAmazed
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BloodyAmazed

John Howard is not the great PM we all believed. He was/is a very wily and cunning little politician. He set up the GST such that it is controlled centrally (like a socialist government would). He confiscated our guns such that only criminals have guns (like a socialist government would) He introduced this climate change scam for Marxist Malcolm to run with (like a socialist government would) He “reformed” the tax system to make life difficult for small businesses (like a socialist government would) He eagerly stood with political conmen Bush and Blair in the Iraq war (he was effectively… Read more »

1rdoval@gmail.com
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1rdoval@gmail.com

Put quite simply the GST carve up strategy punishes success and rewards failure.

BobRob
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BobRob

5 ***** solution

ThePouch
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ThePouch

At its conception I errantly believed the GST was a consistent nation wide tax grown or diluted upon the entrepreneurial prowess of the then state government, basically they taxed and spent on their respective capacity to generate GST. Factually the current GST formula is a Socialist-Communist formula where initiative is stifled and laziness rewarded. Granted the Feds have to levy the states but that’s relatively easy that being they take say 5 or 10% of all GST collected by each state, the remaining 90% goes back to state that earned it. Propping up low rent states is a no-no think… Read more »

Eric Hunt
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Eric Hunt Fri 6 Apr 2018 10:00:10 pm

“DON’T SCREW AROUND WITH THE GST… the solution is simple . . . ” – so say you LARRY!

Interesting to see how far that your mindset has progressed since 2000 Larry . . . You are now accepting that the GST is relevant but you still want to defend the parameters and rates that the powers to be want to impose on us . . . Oh, well, I suppose that a “boo is a lot louder than a cheer” . . . carry on, Larry . . .

Elsa
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Elsa

Hell that will upset Qld , they were relying on that money to pay down Beattie’s $80 billion debt .

Elsa
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Elsa

I remember them , they used to employ Bernard King to do their end of year piss ups .

Elsa
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Elsa

Honest Johnny is telling all Liberals to stand behind Malcolm , he didn’t say if it was BYO steak knives or they’d be using the same set they used on Abbott .

manfromOZ
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manfromOZ

Split GST strictly by population and split all resource taxes and royalties on minerals with the commonwealth. But first replace the current PRRT with a flat royalty as we are currently missing out on Billions from gas exports out of WA and QLD.

holty
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holty

Gee what a surprise, the fuckwits stuffed up another good idea. Honestly I don’t know what the solution is but I do know that once you involve politicians and public servants the end result is always a fuck up.

EsraStar
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EsraStar

Also place it onto fresh food as well.

BlackRoo
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BlackRoo

This was the reason for the break up of Yugoslavia. Slovenia did all the work supplying revenue to the “state” and got little in return. Most going to the fat lazy pricks in the south! Same same with our GST distribution. WTF has SA got FREE motorways? Because NSW and Vic supply the funding… SA is a basket case like Tas.

Pablo
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Pablo

Nailed it Larry….But they want Control at the top, and they will never relinquish it, all to the detriment of Fair Play and the Traditional,Australian Way…..

oldskankhidinginTheShadow
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oldskankhidinginTheShadow

SA Tas ACT NT
1.20 1.76 1.28 5.28

The above represents how much those states are given for each dollar taxed via GST.

Money for nothing and rewards to the dozy ones.

WA gets 38 cents for each dollar raised.

maybearedneck
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maybearedneck

How about we just do away with the states & bring in a true representative democracy. Every bill before parliament should be available to all online & we all have say 72hr window to vote yes or no to it. The only reason that will never happen is there are too many [ insert expletive here ] in canberra & the various states with too much vested interest in lining their own pocket.

oldskankhidinginTheShadow
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oldskankhidinginTheShadow

What we have now is an unjustified subsidy for the sleepy states.