For all of you going on about what a great tough guy Putin is, I suggest you stop and take a look at the man. Putin is ex-KGB and military. He is known to have associations with the Russian mob and has gone to great lengths to "remove from circulation" anyone he has considered a threat to his power in Russia.

As a leader, Putin showed his true colours concerning the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.

Regardless of who shot the plane down it was a tragedy and regardless of the fact most of the world believed it was downed by separatist rebels with Russian supplied rockets it is totally irrelevant actually. The point remains that an un-armed innocent passenger jet liner with innocent passengers was blown out of the sky for no apparent reason. Mistake or otherwise.

Now a true leader, a great leader, would have acknowledged that it was a tragedy that should not have happened and would have done his utmost to secure the site and recover the bodies. Putin had that power, he had the army, he had the strength, he had control over the rebels and he would have had the world on his side had he done so.

But what does Putin do? He decides, because it occurred over Ukraine territory and he did not wish to admit that he had any control over the rebels, to use it as a political tool to blame the Ukraine government for shooting down the plane… he decided to let the thing escalate to try to provoke the Ukraine government and he did not give a flying f**k about the innocent dead nor the families and friends of those innocent dead.

Putin was concerned about one thing and one thing only and that was Vlad Putin.

Tony Abbott has every right to confront Putin over the way it was handled because Putin did have it within his power to do something about it. He could have put the Russian army into that area, secured the site, and there was not a bloody thing the Ukraine government could have done to stop him, or at least he could have instructed the rebels to withdraw totally from that area, but he chose to play a different game.

He just stood back and watched as the rebels trashed the crash site and did not give a stuff about it, he knew what was going on and chose to do nothing.

In choosing to display a total lack of empathy for those who died and their families Vladimir Putin has shown the world his true colours… those of an ex-KGB thug!

A great leader? Hardly, he had the ideal opportunity at his fingertips to show he was a great leader.

He failed miserably.

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The hunt for the “Russian submarine” by the Swedish navy is turning into a farce. Not a thing so far apart from a sighting of “something” that then submerged or sank. The immediate culprit was naturally a Russian submarine. The water depth where the thing submerged, if it where a Russian submarine would only of had a few meter from its conning tower to the water surface. The Swedes may have been better off using hand probes to find it. Whatever it was, plastic bag, dead fish or Russian submarine seems to have disappeared

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Another scandal – Putin offered to divide Ukraine up with the Polish PM – scandalous, and over all the newspapers. Except the source for this was Sikorski the former Foreign Minister who overhead the conversation and now it appears didn’t hear the conversation. This is the way disinformation is spread, the original story always gets more coverage than the retraction and the whole story leaves an impression in the mind of the public of an expansionist Russia. Textbook stuff.

stringybark
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It stops people being manipulated by those of less than honest intent, who try to divide Australians and demean working people for their own purposes. But you go on quoting your crap and the rest of the world will continue to laugh at you as tin hatted nutters. It is quite amazing to me how many of the people who claim to be nationalists know little of Australia’s military and economic history.

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

In fact don’t even ask. He will tell you any how.

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Yeah. Whatever. No need for an Internet or encyclopaedia. Just ask Stringybark. Fountain of all knowledge.

stringybark
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stringybark

Every time people quote from it and it’s shown the events never happened it shows them up as uninformed and gullible. Hal Colebatch is not to be confused with the academic of the same name.

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Wah Wah wah!

stringybark
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stringybark

Colebatch advertised in the rural press for wartime stories of union obstruction and published them without research to verify. The result is a flawed work of no academic standing full of demonstrable errors. It does not reflect well on the IPA to have published it. It has had no impact outside a small right wing group who see it as justification of their position.

exbanker
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exbanker

So did i Kev lol

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Stringybark, I knew you would say that.

stringybark
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stringybark

A poorly researched book full of errors. There is only a little evidence of sabotage. There was also an Axis spy ring which was never uncovered. Communication through Tokyo. The Townsville wharf was a disaster but that was also a result of poor management. Australia’s domestic war effort left much to be desired. The war was not taken very seriously and there was widespread rorting of rationing helped by corruption. Curtin was an adequate war leader – both his strength and weakness was he let our military make military decisions. The extent of the Darwin debacle seems to have been… Read more »

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

It was more than a bit of pilfering if the author of this book has correctly researched. There was sabotage as well.

stringybark
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stringybark

Curtin did not hesitate to put militia on the wharves to load ships. Trade unionists ran the railways, sailed the ships, produced the armaments and so on to make Australia’s war effort. A bit of pilfering on the wharves doesn’t take away from that.

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Rossco, spot on. There is a book written on the unfettered theft and impeding military supplies being shipped to our troops. Curtin did naff all about it. The book is Australia’s Hidden War.

exbanker
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exbanker

Importing drugs and guns more like it, since when have the wharfies given anything to this country

stringybark
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stringybark

Long bow to generalize from criminality on the wharves to a nest of traitors. All over the world criminals gravitate to the wharves and Australia was no exception. The unions were vital in securing the living and working conditions Australians enjoy today.

exbanker
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exbanker

The union movement in this country have always been nothing short of traitors, they have held development back in this country for over 70yrs and sabotaged their way though our history, no better than these terrorists in our country. Look what they have done to manufacturing in our recent history. curtin was too drunk to notice what the traitors in the union were doing during ww2

stringybark
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stringybark

He led Australia during perhaps its darkest period and did a good job. Despite the imaginative work being pushed by the IPA, our troops were let down by less than competent decision making not union activity. There are always people who want to divide our people and fight a class war. Australian unionists were as loyal as anyone and worked and fought to protect the nation.

exbanker
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exbanker

Yet he was in charge of the country when the unions were sabotaging, and stealing goods off our military during the war. He was a member of the socialist party, and an avowed drunkard

stringybark
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stringybark

Interesting German intelligence report. Concludes MH17 was downed by a Ukrainian missile that a local militia had seized. Quite a move away from the Russia shot it down/ Russian supplied missile line Abbott has been pushing. Also concludes the Ukrainians faked the material they were releasing. Makes Abbott look a liar and a fool. There has always been a rumour that American satellite photos showed a Ukrainian missile launch. We are slowly getting somewhere and the American line that Abbott pushes is discredited. It will take a long time for the full story to eventually come out.

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(Reuters) – Germany’s BND foreign intelligence agency has concluded that pro-Russian rebels are to blame for the downing of Malaysia Airline MH17 in Ukraine in July

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stringybark

The story is not as simple as it seems. The 7th was enroute to Java where it would have been lost. Like the first brigade travelling ahead on the Orcades which was. Our High Command didn’t know how to fight the Japanese and made incompetent and ill supported placements of individual battalions in hopeless situations where they were lost. Chester Wilmot left the Kokoda front and saw Curtin with the story of how badly supplied the troops were. Curtin said I either believe you or Blamey and had Wilmot dismissed. So I know the flaws in Curtin’s leadership. But he… Read more »

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John Curtin was the first Australian leader to stand up unashamedly for Australian interests. Without asking Australian permission, Churchill ordered part of the 7th Division, being urgently recalled from the Middle East, to the defence of Burma. A hopeless cause that would have resulted in their death or capture. Curtin had the balls to have the ships turned around at sea and continue to Australia. The 14th and 16th battalions of Kokoda fame were on those ships. I wish Menzies had the balls to stand up to Churchill over sending the 6th Division to Greece. I know Curtin’s deficiencies. Relied… Read more »

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What a wonderful and upstanding Russian this murderous Putin must be and has been. Ice cream must not melt in Mr Putin’s mouth anymore he is (as he and the Russian propaganda depicts him) the perfect human as Stalin was and as every president that the Russians have had in there delusional minds for decades. What a lucky country Russian must be for having for nearly a century the perfect presidents and regime that the west can only drool over and envy.

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Putin is the metamorphosis of what Russia has always stood for. The breaking down of communism has not deterred creeps like KGB Putin from continuing their murderous streak that has always been a part of how they have ruled both in the past and present. Their propaganda has not changed and their murderous deceiving ways have if anything increased in the last 3 decades to a point where we in the west have seen what the fascist way of doing things is really like. Putin is no different to what has been happening in Russia since the inception of communism… Read more »

exbanker
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exbanker

stringybark, curtin was a bloody drunken commo

SandraElmington
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SandraElmington

Well put stringybark

paladin30
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Right on, stringybark. The standard of this forum has been going down for quite a while. Ranting and raving and personal abuse should one dare to disagree, this is what one gets out of it.

stringybark
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I simply love the way some posters here make assumptions about other posters, make wild allegations and then are so gutless they don’t answer back. Like rossco. Not only the left rorts the public purse. Look at the ICAC hearings in NSW. Our present govt is full of them. Also – since when does looking for the truth make you a leftist. And since when does a devoutly Christian country like Russia become a leftist state? This isn’t the public bar in some rough boozer, you should have some intellectual capacity to sustain arguments otherwise the forum becomes a joke.

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Who is that addressed to? Not me I presume because make the export income the country lives off. Been shipping carcasses to Japan all year. Lots of people live off export producers. Usually people who are full of it. Brazilian cattle prices are rising while Australian prices are falling. Why? A 30kt order shipped to Russia in Sept. Russia used to buy 63% of Victoria’s butter. Export prices have fallen 25%. What we need are politicians who put the interests of the country first before their ideological fantasies. Not that any of them live in the real world. Parasites on… Read more »

exbanker
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exbanker

Since when has the left been interested in making money when they are kept by government, your full of it, just get out of the way of real ppl that want to contribute to this country instead of dragging it down

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Most current Western World Leaders ( sic ) are piss weak,, namby pamby, ass lickers for votes and ego tippers. Putin presents as a Strong MAN for his country and his Russian people. Fiji’s Bainimarama has shown how a strong MAN / Leader can bring a whole country back into a form of Unity and Peace. BTW. Many ‘Politicians have ‘assassinated’ their ‘enemies’. Even in Oz. Remember Abbott was the Howard hitman for the assassination of Pauline Hanson. So is Putin the only one who nukes his enemies?

BoilerService
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BoilerService

CUNTS

stringybark
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stringybark

Warning!!! Russian Aggression!!! The U.S. State Department has announced NATO now has to deal with a resurgent Russian military right on NATO’s borders. Like threatening the American tanks and British fighters in Latvia or the missiles in Poland and obviously soon to be Ukraine. Clinton promised Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastwards. If Gorbachev was not so sick moves in the Duma to charge him with treason would probably proceed. The word of an American President is worth ….

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Brazil has shipped over 30,000 tonnes of beef to Russia in September. At high prices. Brazilian cattle prices are rising and Australian prices are falling. Meanwhile world butter prices have fallen around 25%. Ecuador has said nobody tells it who it can trade with, Argentina is gearing up to supply Russia with a wide range of products and Brazil has said if it’s asked to stop increasing exports to Russia it will have zero effect.

stringybark
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stringybark

On the contrary you flee from the argument because your failed seminarian has produced no evidence except his own inbuilt prejudice to blame Russia for the downing.

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Sandra, stringybark, neither of you have provided any evidence of your claims and I will not be discussing anything further with you. I find you to have no substance in your argument nor do you provide solutions. If you have no solutions, then you are part of the problem and I will waste no more time on the matter.

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Our ability to earn money has been damaged by a right wing professional political bludger who has cut us off from one of the largest and most important markets for our primary products. No money for pension increases, put university fees up, charge fees to go to the doctor, no money for country roads or decent infrastructure, or a decent rail system, but no end to the money for military adventures in support of our master. How rare in our history to find a leader like John Curtin who says no, we’re not a colony anymore, we will act in… Read more »

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Kevin… you have posted this news.com.au article. I read it, and it says nothing other than ‘posturing’ going on… Lavrov is an outstanding foreign minister who deserves incredible respect. If you have followed him and his behaviour and willingness to hold those responsible for MH17 accountable you would see this. news.com.au is the tool of fools. I agree with pladin30 – This does not make us ‘lefties’. It makes us – citizens who hold politicians accountable no matter what team they are on. And what is the point of making a grand statement about ‘shirt fronting’ – (standing face to… Read more »

ThePragmatist
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Stringybark, you seem to be a left wing sympathiser who is more interested in having a Liebor government than Australian citizens and their ability to earn money. You have not convinced me to change my mind, indeed, you have hardened my resolve to lean the other way.

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