Greens and technically challenged scribes apparently believe that battery-powered cars and planes are exciting new clean “zero-emissions” vehicles. 

There is little new about batteries – battery powered cars were running on British roads over a century ago – they were pushed out of the market by petrol power. 

Batteries just store energy made elsewhere and all have a finite life. Every battery needs primary energy and resources for production, recharging, replacing and recycling, and every step produces its own emissions. 

Batteries require lots of expensive raw materials – lead, calcium, nickel, cadmium, lithium, hydrogen, plus ancillary copper, steel, zinc, aluminium and plastic. All need primary energy like coal or gas for mining, manufacture, construction, recharging and recycling plus coking coal for smelting metals. Even wind and solar are not emissions-free once construction, maintenance, and life cycle replacement are fully accounted for.

All cars, even Green ones, need road maintenance using bitumen, concrete and diesel-powered machinery, all costing money and producing emissions. Green cars also need recharging stations, demanding more metals.

Batteries have an important place in our lives. But they are not “emissions free”.

 

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Snotaburocrat
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Second point is who is going to love the increased costs of production and so the increased cost of electricity once every car on the road goes electric? Boiling the kettle and watching the telly will start to dent the power bills no doubt.

Snotaburocrat
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Snotaburocrat

These points are lost on green drivellers who have their teeth stuck so far into their cause they cant come up for air!

ThePragmatist
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ThePragmatist

Aw Viv. You bursting the GREENS BATTERY BUBBLE. lol

rosa16
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Jeez, wouldn’t you hate to be on a plane if the the battery ran out !!! Merry Christmas and a happy safe new year to you, Viv. Many thanks for your articles this 2016. Much appreciated.

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Viv ….. thank-you for publishing the truth about our global weather and its driving forces ….. exposing the climate change scam for what it is … just rubbish science.

The truth will set us free !

Wingnut
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Wingnut

Coal is renewable. It started as solar energy, mixed with CO2, became wood, grew and absorbed more CO2, was naturally compressed, dug up, burned to release the CO2, so it can mix with more solar energy to become usable energy again. Just like a battery, it stores solar energy in a chemical form for use when required.

@screwedtenancy
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@screwedtenancy

Can anyone give us some idea of what costs are involved to replace a set of electric car batteries, and dispose of the old ones ?

TomWalsh
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TomWalsh

I love the electric car, although I cannot afford to buy one. If you watch the movie “who killed the electric car” you will understand what a great tragedy it was that the 90’s experiment was prematurely terminated due primarily to political interference. If electric cars had gone into full production in the 90’s, they would have taken over from today’s gas guzzlers and battery technology would have surpassed even today’s high standards. But the big advantage to going almost all electric is that we could stick a big middle finger up to the Arabs and say “You can keep… Read more »

@screwedtenancy
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@screwedtenancy

Viv, it would be interesting if someone could compile a total energy chart on a typical medium sized wind farm. Allowing for fossil fuel required to complete earthwork on the site, building roads and infrastructure. Digging foundations. Mining, smelting and forming the steel to make the structures. Allowing for energy to manufacture and pour the concrete base and reinforcing steel bars, including fuel used to deliver it to site. Allowing for all the energy costs associated with mining the raw materials and rare earth minerals to make the generator and giant fibreglass rotors. Allowing for energy required to connect power… Read more »

CountryBloke
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CountryBloke

Yeah it’s damn cheap motoring for sure, using LPG. I worry about the locking up of our massive coal reserves only to use gas for power generation. Gas that could’ve powered millions of cars, wasted on making electricity when we have so so much coal!

T_W_O
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T_W_O

When it comes energy, there is a cost. – “Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.”

saznak
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saznak

Toyota and Lexus hybrid battery is covered by warranty for 8 years or 200,000 Km.

vecchio
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vecchio

Yes BK Renewable is as delusional as perpetual motion, the con of the past.

ApplePie
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ApplePie

I will never use electric transport. I like my gas guzzling 3 tonne Patrol. It makes me feel good knowing I am pouring life giving CO2 into the atmosphere and demonstrating to the Greens and.and climate loops that they wouldn’t know if the shithouse fell on them – brick by brick. We need more CO2 not less.

CountryBloke
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CountryBloke

Using LPG my tired old 3.9 litre Falcon can get about 400km or so for around $40.

Adamecowarrior
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Adamecowarrior

So we should not be closing coal fired power stations at all. But building more instead we export our abundant coal to China so they can make inferior goods to ship to us taken our jobs to do so too and who let them in – Labor when Hawke Lowered the tariffs. All that guff re we have to all work together when all the others say yes then kept the tariff on our goods entering their countries whilst we took it off in good faith – didnt play the game slow learners. Look at Eurrope and still we hear… Read more »

Adamecowarrior
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Adamecowarrior

Look coal made this country what is was – strong economy based on cheap power. Since the Greens and the Left Labor idiots who cant run anything let alone Australia as no business experience as Trump rightly points out – you cant run a country if yo havent had experience in successfully running a business. And remember one politician who has, Pauline Hanson. She is in touch because of that common sense is missing in most pollies who all too often didnt even work in any business level but for a politician as staffer or as union rep on factory… Read more »

SecretCombinations
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SecretCombinations

They’re all fooking idiots, Viv. And the money that’s been waisted when families are living in their cars and thousands limping around needing knee and hip jobs, all based on an utter fraud, when in fact they have far more advanced technology to litrially light up the glob.

20674837
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20674837

Our local greens candidate is claiming renewable energy is cheaper. We installed a solar HWS 20 years ago but after 15 years it packed up. Cost to replace was $5,000.

abdulabdulamir
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abdulabdulamir

You never added the issues in disposing of batteries.

igiveup
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igiveup

Verily I say unto you Global Warming is evil. All ye whom so much as emiteth one molecule of C02 shall be dammed to rot in hell. Oh woe you nonbelievers, Payeth thy tax to the God of Green. Drag farmers from the lands that floodeth the greenhouses with C02 to force plants to grow. Stone the drinkers of fizzy drinks, thou shall rot in hell forever.

GlemSnotbrook
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GlemSnotbrook

Viv, might you add, to this excellent essay, a rough estimate of how much natural resources are used for disposal/recycling of worn out batteries? A cost, per battery (considering size and type) would be very interesting…

ThePouch
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ThePouch

To the Green and Loopy Left, try taking all fossil based product out of your life then check your surrounds…….try it! You will find petroleum based products are 100% interlinked in your lifestyle, basically life would cease to exist without it. Battery powered cars are like wind and solar, pursuits of idiots; if one is going to search for an alternative, seek a practical solution!

jumbolloyd
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jumbolloyd

well Viv…like everything with the lunatic fucking left…its all about “Virtue Signaling”…everything they do is just a facade…its to just promote and make everyone feel that they care so much…and yet…in their pursuit of this “Utopian Shangri-lah”…everything they touch just turns to shit…just talk to any leftist lunatic…their ability to reason and think critically is just bizarre to behold…they definitely are afflicted with a mental disorder…they are so condescending and righteousness when they drive around in their “Priuss” or other so called “green car”..they have no answer on how to recharge their batteries…it never crossed their minds that the car… Read more »

Daveinoz
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Daveinoz

Battery Emission

1. Mining .. extraction, separation, crushing, smelting, refining, transport (all high energy)
2. Battery component manufacture .. and assembly (more energy)
3. Product distribution .. storage and transport
4. Recharging from main supplies
5. Recycling of waste batteries … dump separation and sorting machinery, then transport
6. Extraction of waste metals … smelting and refining .. transport

Produces far more CO2 than simply filling your tank with good old fossil fuel

Carlos
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Carlos

BRING BACK ‘THE STANLEY STEAMER’

AKOFNQ
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AKOFNQ

Lots & lots of rain up this way last few days, so I guess climate change is real- but hang on maybe onset of wet season – nah definitely climate change

Matt12
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Matt12

Good for transistor radios and torches, that’s about it.